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The U.S. House of Representatives is currently considering H.R. 1981, a bill that would order our online service providers to keep new logs about our online activities, logs to help the government identify the web sites we visit and the content we post online. This sweeping new "mandatory data retention" proposal treats every Internet user like a potential criminal and represents a clear and present danger to the online free speech and privacy rights of millions of innocent Americans...

 

We have to oppose this nonsense.

They have no idea who is actually making those key-strokes they are hoping to be recording and retaining through ISPs and imagine all those potential stolen log-in passwords!!!

What do you think recording all key-strokes does! Duh?

Yeah... BIG TYPE means I'm yelling at you ALL to oppose this.

Next thing you know they'll be wanting to record all our private Skype conversations (sigh).


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Comment balloon 62 commentsC Tann-Starr • August 01 2011 08:20PM

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You BET I will be fighting this! Thanks for the heads up about it. This is madness!!


Sharon

 

Posted by Sharon Alters, Realtor - Homes for Sale Fleming Island FL (Coldwell Banker Vanguard Realty - 904-673-2308) over 9 years ago

Frank and Sharon, this is an incredible dangerous idea that needs to be stopped.  Imagine the new incentive for cyber-criminals to hack the hypothetical retention databases and drain/use our accounts or cause unprecedented criminal mischief pretending to be other users...

Posted by C Tann-Starr (Tann Starr & Associates, Inc.) over 9 years ago

This is beyond ridiculous.......thanks for the heads up C.

Posted by Anna Banana Kruchten CRS CRB, Phoenix Broker, 602-380-4886 (HomeSmart Real Estate BR030809000) over 9 years ago

We have to oppose this nonsense!

 

Posted by Margaret Rome Baltimore 410-530-2400, Sell Your Home With Margaret Rome ( HomeRome Realty 410-530-2400) over 9 years ago

A friend and I recently had a conversation about all of "the BIG BROTHER" type nuances that unfortunately comes with technology...... there has to be a better way!

Posted by Adell Forbes (REALTOR®), "Knowledge & Experience Working for You" (PalmerHouse Properties ) over 9 years ago

Are you certain this is not a hoax? It seems too far stretched to be true.

Posted by Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Realtor Top 1%, Put 40 years of experience to work for you (RE/MAX Gold) over 9 years ago

This is about the dumbest thing I’ve heard them come up with yet. Thanks for the warning.  

Posted by Michael Therriault, The name to remember when you want it done right. (Michael Therriault Contracting - M.T. Contracting) over 9 years ago

Thank you C!  Signed and shared. 

We have to stay vigilant.  There are a lot of abuses down the Congressional pipeline.

 

Posted by Mirela Monte, Myrtle Beach Real Estate (Buyers' Choice Realty) over 9 years ago

Elizabeth: The Electronic Frontier Foundation is a veritable organization and quite well known.  This is no hoax.  You can check out the actual bill on Open Congress.   Just put the bill number in the search bar and it will take you there.

 

Posted by Mirela Monte, Myrtle Beach Real Estate (Buyers' Choice Realty) over 9 years ago

Here's some more information from a trusted source - http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20078785-281/isp-data-retention-plan-hits-capitol-hill-snag/ I will admit I thought it was a little ridiculous...but it's true. You need to read more on this.

Posted by Emmary Simpson, Serving Las Cruces, NM (Las Cruces Homes and Land) over 9 years ago

Anna Banana, you are very welcome. This is some serious shit!!! We're sitting in Starbucks having a digital cow. Book Club is on hold. We're contacting everyone we know about this.

Margaret, we really, really do... (sigh)

Adell, there has definitely got to be a better way... That bill is way too intrusive not to mention expensive. Are they gonna make us pay for it too by increasing our on-line expenses to boot???. You guys know the storage costs are going to be passed along, right?

Posted by C Tann-Starr (Tann Starr & Associates, Inc.) over 9 years ago

Good grief!  You can count on me to fight against this insanity.

 

Posted by Ann Allen Hoover, CDPE SRES ASP e-PRO Realtor - Homes for Sale - AL (RE/MAX Advantage South) over 9 years ago

CTS-Thank you girl for the heads up.  I WILL be fighting this, for sure :)  

Posted by Elizabeth Cooper-Golden, Huntsville AL MLS (Huntsville Alabama Real Estate, (@ Homes Realty Group)) over 9 years ago

Very interesting.  I will look into this. Thanks for the heads up!

Posted by Don Wixom, "Looking out for your next move..."tm (RE/MAX Executives Nampa, ID) over 9 years ago

Elizabeth, the editors and writers I follow on Twitter are up in arms about it. That's why I started looking into what they were talking about. It's supposed to protect kids from porn but does sooooooo much more than that.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:h.r.1981:

Here's me being a pain in the a$$ paralegal if you guys want to read the bill/amendments from hell (go ahead, click the government link people, it's actually a real bill with interesting 2011/2012 twists - LOL).

Posted by C Tann-Starr (Tann Starr & Associates, Inc.) over 9 years ago
http://www.nydailynews.com/tech_guide/2011/07/29/2011-07-29_house_panel_approves_isp_snooping_bill_hr_1981.html?r=news/politics The bill is an anti-child pornography bill.
Posted by Ruthmarie Hicks (Keller Williams NY Realty - 120 Bloomingdale Road #101, White Plains NY 10605) over 9 years ago

Unbelievable...I went to the site, signed and sent.  Will forward to my family and friends.

Posted by Rebecca Gaujot, Realtor®, Lewisburg WV, the go to agent for all real estate over 9 years ago

Done!  Thanks for posting and bringing to our attention.  This is crazy nonsense BS!

Posted by Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist, Probate Real Estate (KD Realty - 408.972.1822) over 9 years ago

Has anyone here read the bill.  I have.  It requires that our providers keep for 18 months the info so that it will be there if they have a COURT ORDER to obtain it.  It does not just GIVE the data to the government for no reason.  It's to stop child molesters and I'm totally for this bill.  Read HR 1981 before you jump to conclusions about what it will do or what it is for.

Posted by Tammy Lankford,, Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville (Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668) over 9 years ago

Michael T, dumb may be an understatement... I second you in spades. :-)

Mirela, I appreciate every single one of you helping to fight and spread the news. We can't sit idly by and let a bad idea become law without trying to fight this.

Emmary, thank you forthe link!!!

Thanks Ann. It's truly insane...

Elizabeth C, thank you! My digital knickers are in a knot behind this one!

Don, you are welcome.

 

 

Posted by C Tann-Starr (Tann Starr & Associates, Inc.) over 9 years ago

C~Big Brother is watching! They already watch us from satellite so why not this? (sarcasm) This feels like we are being violated..like theft, slander and unauthorized sexual contact. Yuk. Thanks for the heads up. What should we do?

Posted by Deb Brooks (Brooks Prime Properties Wichita Falls Texas) over 9 years ago

RuthMarie, thanks for the link! :-)

Rebcca G, thank you for the support. I appreciate every single response to this.

Than kyou Kathleen, it is indeed crazy.

Tammy, all private ISP account information requires a court order but my issue is it collects everyones private information and stores all of it under the premise of a hypothetical child porn possibility.  That means all the hackers that have made the news indescriminately releasing information have something else to go after. Criminals don't need court orders. Disgruntled workers about to be fired don't need court orders. It's the mass storage of private citizens lives just in case they eventually commit a crime or get accused of commiting a crime... BTW, each state has rules regarding how long businesses are supposed to keep business records. Just because the bill says 18 months doesn't mean those digital records can't be mainatined as a permanent business record or for a much longer time frame. P.S. what if your ISP is headquartered in another country? Other countries (like China) have different privacy laws...

Posted by C Tann-Starr (Tann Starr & Associates, Inc.) over 9 years ago

Unfortunately, it's not a hoax. Here's the language:

SEC. 4. RETENTION OF CERTAIN RECORDS BY ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION SERVICE PROVIDERS.

    (a) In General- Section 2703 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
    `(h) Retention of Certain Records- A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service shall retain for a period of at least 18 months the temporarily assigned network addresses the service assigns to each account, unless that address is transmitted by radio communication (as defined in section 3 of the Communications Act of 1934).'.
    (b) Sense of Congress- It is the sense of Congress that records retained pursuant to section 2703(h) of title 18, United States Code, should be stored securely to protect customer privacy and prevent against breaches of the records.

See http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.1981:

And while the focus of the legislation is to prevent child pornography, you'll see that there's no such restriction or limitation in the language in the bill.

Frankly, though, I don't know why anyone should be the least bit surprised. Have you all taken a look at what's contained in the PATRIOT [a misnomer if there ever was one] Act? I'm not particularly a libertarian (or a leftist or a rightist), but Americans have given up a huge amount of their freedoms in the past 10 years.

As for privacy breaches and the threat of hackers, the "Sense of Congress" statement in (b) is meaningless. And, yes, it'll allow the government to see all the web sites we've visited. It'll allow the government to track down any activity we engage in (posting comments on ActiveRain, ordering books from Amazon, sending e-cards to friends and relatives, logging on to our Senators' or Representative's web sites, researching diseases or disabilities that we might want to keep private, and so on).

You're right: It's some serious $&|+!

Thanks for posting.  

Posted by Donald Tepper, DC area investor helping heirs of inherited homes (Long and Foster) over 9 years ago

Thanks for the heads up, I would say I am shocked but I am so over being shocked at what the Government is doing right now. Both Parties, need to GO.

Posted by Missy Caulk, Savvy Realtor - Ann Arbor Real Estate (Missy Caulk TEAM) over 9 years ago

Deb, this really whomps. The Sony ISP was hacked multiple times. Remember when two teenagers hacked T-Online, the online service run by Germany's national telephone company, and stole information about hundreds of bank accounts? Hackers don't need permission to go after data collections... Storing user information for all websites visited jut because one day someone might click the wrong link is a rediculous invasion of account privacy hazard for the rest of us who have nothing to do with child pornography. The government is using one issue to gain rights in another area.

When Citibank was hacked millions of customers were put at risk.

There are security risks involved in amassing a huge electronic database of customer information for any firm. ISPs are vulnerable just like any other entity.

It was reported that a vendor named Imperva previously discovered that a hacker had gained access to the US Army Communications-Electronics Command website and was selling access to it to other hackers for under $500. If the military can't keep hackers out do you really believe we're not going to eventually have major ISP issues with this storage shitstorm brewing?

Posted by C Tann-Starr (Tann Starr & Associates, Inc.) over 9 years ago

Hi C!  The link, http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:h.r.1981: is about a child pornography Bill.  I don't have a problem with them going after those folks at all and from what I read, the remainder is indicative of what has been going on for years--nothing new.  

They need to worry more about the deficit than our Twitter convos anyway!

Posted by Debe Maxwell, CRS, The right Charlotte REALTOR! (www.iCharlotteHomes.com | The Maxwell House Group | RE/MAX Executive | (704) 491-3310) over 9 years ago

Donald, that's why I'm pissed. It's a potential power grab for other information. It gives faceless employees who do not need a court order to perform their job access to the lives of the public. Imagine a fan/worker potentially being able to sit at work and know all the virtual places the stars go. If they start selling/leaking information because they get to see the private direct messages in Twitter and/or Facebook e-mails that would totally whomp wouldn't it? Ordering plane tickets on-line means a worker could know things they shouldn't. It also means hospital files transferred electronically and potentially everything else on transferred in the digital divide that is supposed to be secured can now be part of that 18 month collection of stuff strangers now know about other people.

What would happen to attorney client priv? They would know my confidential work product as a legal investigator doing interviews, field reports and Lexis Nexis research projects if a criminal client of an attorney gets their electronic file pulled for child porn. Attorneys hypothetically would have to stop e-mailing their clients and crew of contractors.

Posted by C Tann-Starr (Tann Starr & Associates, Inc.) over 9 years ago

Debe, the language of the bill is FLAWED in that it overreaches beyond child porn. It's the data collection and retention of all ISP user accounts. "It is the sense of Congress that records retained pursuant to section 2703(h) of title 18, United States Code, should be stored securely to protect customer privacy and prevent against breaches of the records." Fact: the government has been repeatedly hacked. Fact: great companies with crazy security in place like Citibank have been hacked. If you one day hypothetically logged into your on-line business bank account and discovered it closed because some hacker got access to your stored information through your ISP habits, the overreaching of this bill would suddenly become more relevant to you. Strangers should not know where you bank because of your Internet travels. I am all for tools to fight for the safety of our kids but not for a tool that collects and store Internet usage data that has nothing to do with an actual crime.

Missy, we've been arguing/debating about this for several hours now. It's too vague, overreaches and doesn't have enough teeth regarding the potential misuse and hypothetical abuse of the gathered information. That information doesn't sit in a vacuum. Workers have access to it. Companies save money subcontracting to vendors all over the globe to process a wide variety of computer services. "Should be stored securely" is permissive language and does not denote MUST. Where's my pound of flesh for when it isn't secured properly?

Posted by C Tann-Starr (Tann Starr & Associates, Inc.) over 9 years ago

Hi C - thanks for the head's up. I'm going to read all comments and the bill before I weigh in.

Glad you are on top of things!

Lori

Posted by Lori Cain, Midtown Tulsa Real Estate Top Producer (eXp Realty) over 9 years ago

More government overreaching.  Surely there are better ways to go after their target (child porn).  How about this idea.  If we find child pornography in Detroit we could nuke the city.  That would stop it.  Wait maybe the costs outweigh the benefits, same with this bill.

Posted by Mike Henderson, HUD Home Hub - 303-949-5848 (Your complete source for buying HUD homes) over 9 years ago

Sobering, C. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. More and more of our lives, especially financial, are involved with online activities. It's scary to think that some stranger would be able to electronically stalk us, steal from us, or ruin our reputation.

Cheers,

Robin

Posted by Robin Rogers, CRS, TRC, MRP - Real Estate Investment Adviser (Robin Rogers, Silverbridge Realty, San Antonio, Texas) over 9 years ago

The information collected about users can hypothetically be used by civil litigants in private lawsuits. Do you guys even know how to get a court order? A subpoena duces tecum is how you get a court order to produce records. If you think my rant is police-centric you've missed a VERY important point regarding the vague wording of this this bill: it's also a CIVIL issue, not just a CRIMINAL issue.

A competitor or company trying to uncover and retaliate against you because you are no longer an anonymous critic in the comment section of a blog post comes into play here. They can call you Jane and John Doe in the legal paperwork until the comment is traced back to your computer/ISP. What if I borrowed your laptop on Tuesday? Was it me or you who flipped someone the digital finger that got auto-tweeted into a third party account because of a borrowed smart phone? Our cell phone batteries die all the time. I've run the street with hubby's phone several times (because my kid threw mine out the window - LOL) and I've let my friends use mine in a pinch...

A divorce lawyer looking for dirty laundry because your spouse has yet to let you know they are about to leave you means your fun, bantering social media friends might be inappropriately accused of being adulterous girl/boy-friends. Being accused or suspected potentially gets your file pulled people (fill out a form, pay the civil court clerk the fee, crap hypothetically starts to happen). How do you like this overreaching bill now?

Some of you know how wild you are in Facebook and Twitter... What about all those Facebook accounts that have been hacked sending out those porn and phishing links while caliming to be a cool YouTube and Brittany or Beyonce update? What about clicking on a bad Twitter link that suddenly gets your account flagged for a visiting a porn website?

What about doing something innocuous like using Google to look for twin beds and clicking through several search engine links only to land on a porn site using black hat seo that named the page twin beds? (The twin bed incident actually happened to us and my kids and I were shocked. That totally whomped.)

Posted by C Tann-Starr (Tann Starr & Associates, Inc.) over 9 years ago

Lori, you're welcome.

Mike H, they really need to revise the bill. There are better ways without unilaterally dragging all US ISP Internet users into the fray. I'm kind of curious: what if you have a Mexican, Canadian or Chinese ISP provider? How does this work then? The Chinese own a lot of our Internet router companies... They're started snapping up US companies like crazy in 2009/2010. http://www.usatoday.com/money/markets/2010-01-17-china-investment-in-us_N.htm

You are welcome, Robin.

 

Posted by C Tann-Starr (Tann Starr & Associates, Inc.) over 9 years ago

THX for the heads up. I'll get this out to my list and follow up. Time to make some Noise. And I concur with Missy.

Posted by ASHEVILLE REALTY REFERRAL RESOURCE 828-776-0779, CONTACT janeAnne365@gmail.com ( REAL ESTATE REFERRAL NETWORK ) over 9 years ago

From another post elsewhere on the web....

The text of the bill is at: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.1981  Basically, if you get a phone number, the phone company keeps these records already. They're just asking that when DHCP gives you an IP address, that they store the records of this. There's a little bit of burden on the ISPs and NSPs for this, but there's no "tracking of web usage" as reported in here. What happens now is that someone caught hacking, pirating, etc will have logs sent to the FBI from the victim. Those logs show a temporary IP. The temporary IP goes to an ISP, and instead of having to go investigate and monitor 254 people, with something like this, they could simply investigate and monitor ONE. If you're worried about your ISP monitoring you from this new information, think again. It's not new. Your ISP already has this information. It's required for them to be able to operate.

Related Bills: S.596S.1308

Posted by Daniel H. Fisher, MCRP - Charlotte Real Estate, NC or SC (www.FisherHermanRealty.com (704) 617-3544) over 9 years ago

The Fed is slowing turning our country into a police state with rules and regulations designed to watch everything we do.  You can bet I'll be all over building support to block this.  Thanks for posting!

Posted by Bryan Robertson over 9 years ago

CT - Wow this is some serious BS indeed. Thanks for the bulletin in my email about this... I'm on my way.... Can you say Big Brother anyone? Wow

Posted by Robert and Lisa Hammerstein -201-315-8618, Bergen County NJ Real Estate (Christie's International Real Estate ) over 9 years ago

CT- And so on and on it goes, liberties taken away in the sneaky fashion that has become commonplace in the halls of congress and house. Don't you notice that they always do these "other" bills while something really big is going on, like the one hand says, watch over here, but really the other hand is doing something else. Our liberties are being stripped from us one at a time. 

There is another bill right now that is in the senate where they together with Big Pharma and the FDA is AGAIN trying to get all our natural herbs and supplements off the shelves. Another nanny law to tell us what we can put in our bodies and what we can not. We must fight that bill too. Katerina 

Posted by Katerina Gasset, Get It Done For Me Virtual Services (Get It Done For Me Virtual Services ) over 9 years ago

Seems to me that companies are already collecting information about us in many ways. There was a program on TV a few nights ago where they counted how many times a man was caught on camera from the moment he left the his house --- he was caught on the street, on the road, in his office, in retail stores, etc. In one day alone, he was on camera nearly 100 times.

And how do we end up getting on spammers' list based merely on sites we visit, the things we buy online?

Scary!

Posted by Pacita Dimacali, Alameda/Contra Costa Counties CA (Alain Pinel) over 9 years ago

Ms. C - funny Lee was just commenting yesterday about how we are so watched.  With all the camera's everyplace we go, and now I get this email.  I remember I used to think 'I don't have anything to hide so what's the big deal?'  The big deal is 'privacy'.  And that's something we all have to stand up and speak out for!  Thanks for the heads up! 
Pamela

Posted by Lee & Pamela St. Peter, Making Connections to Success in Real Estate (Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices YSU Realty: (919) 645-2522) over 9 years ago

They already have the authority to collect this same kind of data thru the Patriot Act for Homeland Security (my mom used to work for an "information gathering" company.)  They are just extending that right to protect our children from pornography. Honestly I have no issues with it since I don't have anything to hide. Catch the terrorists and the sickos.  More power to them!

And if you think that spammers and hackers aren't already collecting the same data, you are fooling yourselves. They are just doing it illegally by inserting malware into all those cookies on those sites you visit. Y'all live in a naive world if you think that not only big brother isn't already watching, but that bad brother isn't too!

Posted by Lori Baden, Be At The Beach! (EXP Realty LLC) over 9 years ago

Big Brother is watching... I bet it was being done already.. they already monitor phone calls looking for keywords to hunt terrorists...so this shouldnt be a surprise.  The internet has never been private, we should all be aware of  that.

Routine background checks are much deeper than you may think... I heard about someone applying for a job at the FBI and they found their facebook page that was deleted years earlier with photos of them drinking while underage, and he was not offered a job because of it... 

Think twice about what you post everyone!

Posted by Robert Rauf (HomeBridge Financial Services (NJ)) over 9 years ago

I lieu of my political rants on the subject of us giving up our rights, may I induce those of you here who operate on the principle of "i don't have anything to hide, so it doesn't concern me" to watch a highly entertaining movie called The Minority Report.  As a bonus - it's got a very mucho looking Tom Cruise in it. 

Posted by Inna Hardison, Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group (ha media group) over 9 years ago

This is one more example of us choosing to give up our freedom in the name of 'safety.'

In the words of Benjamin Franklin "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Posted by Maria Morton, Kansas City Real Estate 816-560-3758 (Platinum Realty) over 9 years ago

janeAnne, I concur with Missy too. :-)

Daniel, did you know you can access the domain/subdomain of an IP address that actually shows the literal website page? That is not a harmless set of numbers being collected. A URL is the alpha-numeric graphic you type (like http://ActiveRain.com) and an IP address may be assigned to a Host name. A single machine can act like multiple machines (with multiple domain names and IP addresses) so it's a lot more complicated and a bigger deal than a lot of people think because the data retention is not just limited for the use of the porn bill, it can also be accessed through civil litigation (inclusive of small claim court) orders to produce records.

Type  http:173.203.15.209  and that German IP address brings you to ActiveRain.com

That means I can bring up your bank page if I know the IP address....

 

 

 

 

Posted by C Tann-Starr (Tann Starr & Associates, Inc.) over 9 years ago

Bryan, I'm all for law enforcement tools but not vague sweeping information retention descriptions in a porn bill that can be co-opted by non-law enforcement use. People with beef can go on a fishing expedition for information because of a thrid party linking to your wireless router.

Lisa and Robert, they need to change the wording to a more narrow and specific language.

Nestor and Katrina, I've noticed they've quietly slipped little things into bills that no one pays attention to because it's just one "insignificant little line" that later turns into a big deal with unintended consequences. While they yell about the big issues we routinely get whacked with the little stuff.

Pacita, scary is having someone send a publishing package to my NY home address as Wordy C (LOL). That never should have happened but they were soliciting potentially representing my book. Who did they pay to link the twio because everyting Wordy C goes to a Florida P.O. Box. that has nothing to do with NY. That information was sold to a third party by persons unknown.

Lee and Pamela, the big deal is that IP addresses are not all static, most are dynamic. If a third party comes to my home and goes on-line with the wireless router the surfing IP addresses are all linked to my place. Why should all of my surfing be mixed up with my friends and neighbor's habits. I'm across the hall with Nydia. I'm on her wireless router. What I'm doing today is credited to her home... I have a temporary ID assigned because of her router. When I am at Starbucks, I lease another temp access ID.

Allen Tate Company, the Patriot Act is National Security which can restrict someone from doing a civil litigation fishing expedition.This information retention bill does not restrict access through other means. People squabbling can spend $45 filing a court motion/subpoena duces tecum and get the retained records.

Robert, we're definitely going to have too think more about what we post and where. A comment can start a law suit that can pull all related records into the fray.

Inna, most of us don't have anything to hide but we still shouldn't have our personal moments on-line categorized for analysis and consumption by the whims of someone slighted from a flippant blog remark to potentially get months worth of our surfing habits by filing an order because the records have been retained and stored for the possibility of being used in a hypothetical future inquiry. Lawyers use all tools at their disposal. DIY people who go to small claims court or civil court can file actions representing themselves pro se without an attorney which means they can hypothetically access this stuff also because there is no restriction in place to stop it from being used for other means.

Maria, what a cooooooooool quote. Very well said!

 

 

Posted by C Tann-Starr (Tann Starr & Associates, Inc.) over 9 years ago

Big Brother needs handcuffs.

Posted by Kathleen Frawley, South County Sacramento, 916 730 4404 (Keller Williams 916 730-4404 Elk Grove, Wilton, Folsom, Sacramento) over 9 years ago

LOL @ Kathleen. Among other things... ;-)

Posted by C Tann-Starr (Tann Starr & Associates, Inc.) over 9 years ago

Thanks C!  Sent mine in and posted all about!

Posted by Debbie Walsh, Hudson Valley NY Real Estate 845.283-3036 (Shahar Management) over 9 years ago

That was a very interesting post.  I will keep your ideas in mind.  Thanks for sharing.

Posted by Tara B. Downing, Homes For Sale - Mineola Port Washington (Village Properties ) over 9 years ago

Here's a great read about this issue from ZDnet.com:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/violetblue/how-the-new-8216protecting-children-bill-puts-you-at-risk/590?tag=content;feature-roto

To Quote the post:

"It has nothing to do with pornography, and was opposed by over 30 civil liberties and consumer advocacy organizations, as well as one brave indie ISP that is urging its customers to do everything they can to protest the invasion of privacy.

 

Protecting Children” forces ISPs to retain customer names, addresses, phone numbers, credit card numbers, bank account numbers, and dynamic IP addresses.

 

It’s like having your wallet plus the web sites you visit tracked and handed over on request. These logs are now going to be retained for the scope of one and a half years.

 

(I have to wonder if ISPs can sell this data, too.)

 

This has nothing to do with porn. In case you’re like the Reps that passed this nightmare and you’ve forgotten: pornography is legal in the United States.

It is pedophilia that is illegal. But for the sake of harnessing hysteria to get a bill passed, clearly these particular Republicans find it convenient to conflate “pornographers” as pedophiles." "

THE PROBLEM IS IT COLLECTS EVERY USERS INFORMATION WHETHER THEY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ALLEGED ISSUE OR NOT AND ANY ATTORNEY CAN REQUEST THIS INFORMATION AS WELL AS THE POLICE.

Psssst... That also means a do-it-yourselfer waving representation by an attorney who opts to represent themselves in civil court can fill out the damn forms (sigh).

Posted by C Tann-Starr (Tann Starr & Associates, Inc.) over 9 years ago

Thank you, Debra. :-)

Thank you, Tara. :-)

 

Posted by C Tann-Starr (Tann Starr & Associates, Inc.) over 9 years ago

Thanks for making people aware of these developments Tann. You are courageous..

Anyone interested in the history of domestic/foreign surveillance should read James Bamford's books.

The Puzzle Palace: Inside the National Security Agency, America's Most Secret Intelligence Organization

Body of Secrets: Anatomy of the Ultra-Secret National Security Agency

A Pretext for War: 9/11, Iraq, and the Abuse of America's Intelligence Agencies

The Shadow Factory: The Ultra-Secret NSA from 9/11 to the Eavesdropping on America

Be prepared for a shock.

 

Posted by John Narrin (ECO-Steward Realty) over 9 years ago

John, thank you for the links. :-)

Posted by C Tann-Starr (Tann Starr & Associates, Inc.) over 9 years ago

Ever see the movie V For Vandetta? It really isn't as far fetched as people may think. While the Patriot Act did a great job of protecting us it also opened us up to the government having this kind of control over us.

Posted by Nathan Tutas, Your Central Florida Real Estate Expert (Tutas Towne Realty, Inc.) over 9 years ago

Nathan, V for Vandetta was amazing. We really enjoyed that one. Nice visuals. The Patriot Act is a fascinating read. Amazon has a copy of it as a free download in Kindle. I think people have no idea how fast things are changing...

Posted by C Tann-Starr (Tann Starr & Associates, Inc.) over 9 years ago

Hate to say it, but I am not opposed to this idea.

Posted by Aaron Vaughn, REALTOR© 512-845-4204, My knowledge is your power | eXp Realty (eXp Realty) over 9 years ago

That's okay, Aaron. :-)

Posted by C Tann-Starr (Tann Starr & Associates, Inc.) over 9 years ago

I think this or another similar bill is needed. In the internet era counterterrorism will require access to this type of information.

And isn't this the reason why law enforcement is for it?

Posted by Jon Zolsky, your Daytona Condo Agent (FunCoast Realty 386-405-4408) over 9 years ago

Jon, it's not limited to law enforcement. The information can be accessed by a court order applied for by an attorney regarding a civil dispute. There is no language limiting what the information can be used for. Due diligence or fishing expedition? Businesses do due diligence checks on potential employees... People casually sign personnel consents when applying for jobs. I do not mind law enforcement, I mind everything else...

 

 

Posted by C Tann-Starr (Tann Starr & Associates, Inc.) over 9 years ago

I understand, thank you for clarification. I only think of the means to fight organized crime, terror, not as means of controlling life of people

Posted by Jon Zolsky, your Daytona Condo Agent (FunCoast Realty 386-405-4408) over 9 years ago

Jon, it's like it snuck upon us while we weren't paying attention to the unintended consequences... (sigh).

Posted by C Tann-Starr (Tann Starr & Associates, Inc.) over 9 years ago

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